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	<title>Comments on: Proxy Servers To End Censorship?</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Schiavenza - Google Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://mattschiavenza.com/2008/09/14/proxy-servers-to-end-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-96411</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Schiavenza - Google Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] private network (VPN) will before long become de rigeur for China&#8217;s internet users. As I wrote over a year ago, I believe China&#8217;s efforts to censor the web will only stop once everyone finds a cheap and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] private network (VPN) will before long become de rigeur for China&#8217;s internet users. As I wrote over a year ago, I believe China&#8217;s efforts to censor the web will only stop once everyone finds a cheap and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Delmonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Delmonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very hot information. I&#039;ll share it on Facebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very hot information. I&#8217;ll share it on Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: cruincorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cruincorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if web industry affected by crisis as well? and to what extend? Will the admins continue this web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if web industry affected by crisis as well? and to what extend? Will the admins continue this web?</p>
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		<title>By: Kellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t see evidence of censorship. 51mole.com works just fine.

seriously though the slowness of accessing the internet, proxied or not, almost does make it not worth bothering. it&#039;s one of the first things i&#039;d change if i had the power.

i, like chris, haven&#039;t been able to get HSS working on my mac or under windows (still on my mac). never gets an IP address. 

and i also think it&#039;s only a matter of time before they start really messing with the VPNs. though if they want to really ever develop, this would be the wrong thing to do as it would likely cause big companies to shy away from china.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t see evidence of censorship. 51mole.com works just fine.</p>
<p>seriously though the slowness of accessing the internet, proxied or not, almost does make it not worth bothering. it&#8217;s one of the first things i&#8217;d change if i had the power.</p>
<p>i, like chris, haven&#8217;t been able to get HSS working on my mac or under windows (still on my mac). never gets an IP address. </p>
<p>and i also think it&#8217;s only a matter of time before they start really messing with the VPNs. though if they want to really ever develop, this would be the wrong thing to do as it would likely cause big companies to shy away from china.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswaugh_bj</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswaugh_bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried to install hotspot shield a couple of times, but with no luck. Somehow it just won&#039;t cooperate with me. 

&quot;I wonder if enough people use HotSpot Shield (or, like Fallows, commercial VPNs without advertisements) the Chinese government will eventually decide internet censorship isn&#039;t worth it.&quot;

I doubt it. The proxies I used back in &#039;99 and 2000 have long since been blocked and disappeared. I&#039;m still mourning the loss of the nameless rodent and trying to find a suitable replacement (like I said, I&#039;ve had no luck with Hotspot Shield, somehow it just won&#039;t install properly for me). Commercial VPNs won&#039;t disappear because so many big companies depend on them, but once Hotspot Shield attracts enough attention, it&#039;ll go too, I&#039;m sure.

As for frightening nationalism, I know of several blogs by rather liberal Chinese intellectuals. There is a hell of a lot of diversity out there, and that gives me hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to install hotspot shield a couple of times, but with no luck. Somehow it just won&#8217;t cooperate with me. </p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder if enough people use HotSpot Shield (or, like Fallows, commercial VPNs without advertisements) the Chinese government will eventually decide internet censorship isn&#8217;t worth it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt it. The proxies I used back in &#8217;99 and 2000 have long since been blocked and disappeared. I&#8217;m still mourning the loss of the nameless rodent and trying to find a suitable replacement (like I said, I&#8217;ve had no luck with Hotspot Shield, somehow it just won&#8217;t install properly for me). Commercial VPNs won&#8217;t disappear because so many big companies depend on them, but once Hotspot Shield attracts enough attention, it&#8217;ll go too, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>As for frightening nationalism, I know of several blogs by rather liberal Chinese intellectuals. There is a hell of a lot of diversity out there, and that gives me hope.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that only a minute number of people in this country are bothered by censorship. So long as people can play games, chat online, and download pirated music and films, they don&#039;t care about the rest and have no independent thoughts on them.

Probably the people who bear the brunt of its effects are the expats, not because they&#039;re all busy trying to visit websites about T€” Square, the island of T€” and the province of T€”, but because they&#039;re trying to get to innocuous sites which have been caught up in Nanny&#039;s overzealous filters.

I don&#039;t know why Live Journal and typepad remain blocked when blogspot, wikipedia and the BBC were unblocked; or sites like Omniglot and various others which mention neither China nor any of those issues which get Nanny overwrought should ever have been marked offlimits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that only a minute number of people in this country are bothered by censorship. So long as people can play games, chat online, and download pirated music and films, they don&#8217;t care about the rest and have no independent thoughts on them.</p>
<p>Probably the people who bear the brunt of its effects are the expats, not because they&#8217;re all busy trying to visit websites about T€” Square, the island of T€” and the province of T€”, but because they&#8217;re trying to get to innocuous sites which have been caught up in Nanny&#8217;s overzealous filters.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why Live Journal and typepad remain blocked when blogspot, wikipedia and the BBC were unblocked; or sites like Omniglot and various others which mention neither China nor any of those issues which get Nanny overwrought should ever have been marked offlimits.</p>
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